@BuddyYakov @crmiller1 @irl_neil @dmwoodruff Do you take the same view on shock therapy? Over-determined? I take that to be the

@BuddyYakov @crmiller1 @irl_neil @dmwoodruff Do you take the same view on shock therapy? Over-determined? I take that to be the gist of @crmiller1 argument.

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